What We May Be

What We May Be: Race and Education

A 4-episode podcast diving into the intersections between race, education, and Shakespeare through interviews with artists, educators, and students. Hosted and produced by Rafael Molina, this podcast features interviews with Valerie Curtis-Newton, Rosa Joshi, Lamar Legend, Sara Porkalob, Desdemona Chiang, QuiQui Dominguez, Sunam Ellis, Dedra Woods, Manny Cawaling, and more. Through transparent conversations about social justice, education, and Shakespeare—and examinations both macro and micro—we hope you will be inspired to actively decolonize, restructure, and create accountability in theatrical education.

Episodes release Wednesday mornings, October 28 – November 18.

Series Trailer

Series Trailer Transcript

Series Trailer Transcript

Hello, “What We May Be: Race and Education” is the new podcast from Seattle Shakespeare Company. This series as a four-part special premiere of Seattle Shakespeare Company’s podcast, Rough Magic. It’s also a fundraiser for the educational department at Seattle Shakes. I’m Raphael Molina. I’ll be your host for these explorations and conversations about the relationship between race, education, Shakespeare, and our community here in Seattle. Every episode will feature various interviews with community educators, students, and artists. With the goal being that you, the listener will gain a better understanding of how race and power play into the politics of education. And as a community, we can dream of more ways to actively de-colonize restructure and create accountability. Here’s a sneak peak,

We’re all human. We’re all part of the human experience. And part of that is art and creativity. Information has value. And how do we compensate those who generate it, but not punish those who receive it? Well, you know, again, I go back to the arts, you have to know your audience, right? And if we stop treating our students as consumers and treat them more like audience, we’ll do a better job of meeting them where they are. So those are things. When we think about education, we can’t just think about, you know, what’s in the books. We have to think about how are we educating these humans to really have, empathy? This story is, is your story. And in fact, your version of this story only enhances his version of his story in the way that he wrote it. I’m really drawn to the history plays because they, in terms of choosing content, because they really speak to the nature of leadership and the characteristic of leadership. And I think in a democracy, you always need to be examining and questioning who our leaders are, and what we want from our leaders, what we can forgive and what we must not forget. And if I think, I think if our leaders don’t want it, then I’m so sorry. …leaders who have some skills you’re not needed anymore, that you, we don’t need you. You are actually hurting us. Please leave. And I think it’s important, especially for white people in positions of influence. I don’t necessarily want to say power, but maybe power too, to think about this stuff they maybe haven’t had to think about before, you know. Here we are, what can we learn from one another? What can we unlearn together?

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We hope you will be inspired by each episode to actively decolonize, restructure, and create accountability in theatrical education, and then you’ll come back here for a virtual exploration of the camps and classestalkbacks and toursstudy guides and student stories you heard about on the podcast.

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Episode 0 – Series Trailer

Intro to the series by Rafael Molina, our host

Episode 1 – The Brainstorm

Featuring Dedra D. Woods, Michelle Burce, Manny Cawaling

In our first episode, we explore the foundations of education. You’ll be introduced to Seattle Shakespeare’s education programs, as well as what education and racial equity look like for individual artists, educational and theatrical institutions, and our society at large. We are joined by artist and activist Dedra D. Woods (Artists of Color Seattle); Seattle Shakespeare’s Education Director, Michelle Burce; and Manny Cawaling of Inspire Washington. Learn more, ask questions, and get involved at seattleshakespeare.org/education-celebration

Episode 2 – Past and Present, Part 1

Featuring Desdemona Chiang, QuiQui Dominguez and Caitlin Honig

 This week, Rafael explores education in schools and classrooms, from stories about being an immigrant struggling to understand playground games to the importance of rebellious teachers and the power of showing students that Shakespeare can be for them (and the struggle when it feels like it isn’t). Our guests are director Desdemona Chiang, multihyphenate artist QuiQui Dominguez, and high school teacher Caitlin Honig. Learn more, ask questions, and get involved at seattleshakespeare.org/education-celebration

Episode 3 – Past and Present, Part 2

 What’s the difference between diversity and equity? How is education changing? What kinds of people are our education programs trying to create? Rafael delves into these questions and more, while exploring after school and camp programs at Seattle Shakespeare. Our guests this week are director and educator Valerie Curtis-Newton, teaching artist Anastasia Higham, actor Sunam Ellis, and former Seattle Shakespeare student Violet Keteyian. Learn more, ask questions, and get involved at seattleshakespeare.org/education-celebration

Episode 4 – The Future

In our final episode, Rafael explores what the future of educational theatre, Seattle, and the arts community at large might and could look like. Learn about artists who are pushing us forward with new interpretations, new work, new people in the room. Dive deep into the Shakespeare Equity Engagement program with Lamar Legend, learn more about upstart crow collective with Rosa Joshi, and hear about what BIPOC and predominantly white institutions should do next (and so much more) with Sara Porkalob.